Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Sorry but I need to vent a bit here. After a brilliant session Monday morning I have just had probably the worst run of gameplay I have ever experienced due to games crashing. I had just gone into my 50% bonus of 20 quid after a 40 deposit when I hit 3 good wins on the bounce on 10p and my balance was on a healthy 275 . Good right ? I was buzzing. I have played on this site a few times before and not had any issues and done ok. Nothing amazing but a sense that all was fair .When I got up to 275 everything seemed to change. Bearing in mind ii only had to wager a small bonus about 40 times i was thinking I am gonna have a decent cashout of maybe 175 if things didnt go well but probably 200 + . I have completed wagering lots of times on low stakes and I am pretty good at protecting a balance and have an pot of games that I know are suited to this. All of a sudden games started to crash when I was a few hundred spins in and bonus is due. I understand that's not guaranteed but I know these games well and I back myself being correct most of the time. My balance now sits at 130 and I am only 75 % of wagering done. I am not a sore loser and I can take a loss and crap bonuses but what I cant take is games crashing and costing me money. When I think back it seems my worst and rapid losses are always associated with games crashing and server errors. Am I being deliberately targeted because I have done well out of slots and make a decent profit. When I see all the corruption in the world I cant think that its any other explanation. I sit here this morning with a bitter taste in my mouth. Also a strange thing happened today. I played Rick and morty megs last night (again) .Did about 400 spins and only 7 or 8 quid down then said game crashed . Even though this had happened several times that day on various games I somehow managed to stop myself launching my phone against the wall and turned off the slots because I had enough for one day. Put the same game on this morning and server detected my previous game and in spins the bonus . WTAF !!!. How many other times are we being booted out of games just before the bonus is going to land. If I hadn't played that game again I would have lost that money. Maybe the UKGC should look into stuff like this instead of the pathetic and pointless removal of autoplay just to please a few champagne sipping lefty types. Of course we will be told its all random and these things just happen but I don't buy it. I know some people may look down on me because I play on 10p. The reason is because I have been burned before and this is where I feel comfortable. I love playing slots and just trying to manage my habit in the least destructive way. I cant imagine if this scenario had happened on higher stakes how I would feel. Sorry for my essay but none of my family and friends play so I don't have anyone to tell stuff like this. Why I joined the forum. I would like to hear other views and experiences on this and you can always pm me if you don't feel like posting on here . I don't feel comfortable pointing the finger and naming and shaming casinos or certain providers before I have my facts straight. I find it all a bit embarrassing and I hate confrontation so I won't do it. Maybe you could discuss this Will in the future on a stream but a conflict of interests may prevent you from doing so. I think we can all understand if that was the case. Again I am not a sore loser and will probably still come out of this with a profit. I just feel so angry and if I am way off here please correct me. This is what I am feeling right now. It took a lot of guts for me to join this forum and post this up but its what forums are for. Please excuse my rant and I look forward to some responses and discussion. Raisin A.k.a The legend of low stakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Jesus I didnt realise I wrote that much. 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Not sure if I should do this but I just want people to see im not full of crap and you can beat the casinos on low stakes. I am happy to show anyone anything because its the truth. I'm not being boastful and I hope it doesn't seem that way. This is my account at skol all done on 10p and 20p ( Rick and morty min bet 20 p ). I am up on several others but here is when I turned things round and started to make a consistent profit. Not played here much lately but its a fantastic casino. They ain't getting it back of me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I know a lot of people will read this and agree with you because there's a strong emotional connection to gambling for most players, but I do completely disagree with anything like this, based upon how slots are programmed and operate. We have a few articles on the site that you might find interesting, if you haven't already read them: Debunking Slot Myths: Streaks Debunking Slot Myths: Streamer RTP Debunking Slot Myths: Stakes Wagering: Do Certain Games Work Better Slots: Jackpots, Volatility and RTP You don't have to read them of course, but they offer more information on how slots work. To answer a few of your points though - there certainly wouldn't be anyone intentionally trying to affect your game play because you've moved in front, particularly on low stakes where the move in front is probably in the hundreds. To an online casino, this isn't a large amount of money even though it can be to players. As for whether they could affect your game play, the only thing a casino could do is lower the RTP (if they could kick you from a game it wouldn't do much, which I'll explain below), which again doesn't really guarantee a greater loss, as RTP works between every player over billions of spins and hand in hand with luck. An obvious example of the luck side of this is Will - he has only played Helios Fury once, with an RTP of 97% in the bonus buy, which he bought twice, yet his personal RTP for the one time he's played is in the thousands %. So although casinos can and do alter the RTP of their games, the up to date information will always be displayed in the Information area as per licensing conditions, and RTP will never be changed for just one player - if this were to happen they would be in breach of their licensing conditions - if severe enough they could lose their license and no longer be able to operate within the UK, and at the very least they could be fined hundreds of thousands, or millions, of pounds - along with risking their reputation as we are always given the reason for fines on the UKGC website. It wouldn't be worth it to try and stop a player winning a few hundred pounds. With games crashing, it just means the connection to the server has been lost and you will need to re-establish that connection. I think the reason this bothers players is because they feel they're being kicked out of the full game cycle they've been awarded, which isn't true. When you open a game, you don't establish a server connection and be awarded an unlimited amount of predetermined spins, wherein the game could know when you load it that it will give you a bonus on your 53rd spin, for example. Instead, you establish a server connection and are awarded your first spin result when you press spin, based upon the RNG. You could then sit in the game for 20 minutes and do nothing, but you wouldn't be awarded a second spin result until you press spin the second time. A bonus is never due on a game, but most developers will provide statistics and tell us how many spins on average it takes for a bonus, but this is not a guarantee - some players will land a first spin bonus, and others will go hundreds of spins without that luck. The actual images you see on a slot matter very little, things are just programmed with code and numbers in the background and an image will display to represent that win. If you get 5 teases in a row for example, you're no closer to the bonus, and it's no more likely to happen. If we use The Goonies as an easy example, it won't just be a losing spin programmed. There will be a few options - standard losing spin, losing spin with a bonus tease, losing spin with a key tease, losing spin with 'super' bonus tease on reels 1 and 2, and losing spin where you get a key but it misses hitting a win would be examples that I would guess are in this list, but obviously I don't work for Blueprint. They want to keep excitement in the game, so these are additional options for the RNG to choose from, added so there's some 'what if' feelings along the way to a winning spin - but truthfully, none of these spins matter. They're losing spins, whether you get a bonus tease or not, and they don't affect any other spins. I reckon I will get people below me disagreeing with me here though - like I said, some players have a strong emotional connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Ok thats a fair response but are we just being told these things. I am not a believer of the so called experts that we are taught we have to take their word as gospel. I think we have seen that lately with Covid . You say about losing licences but what if the commission dishing them out are in cahoots with the providers and casinos for a slice of the pie. Similar to the IPCC and the police. A commission investigating their own e.g. I don't think that's too hard to believe possible. You couldnt say there are no malpractices in the gambling world because their clearly are. We have to trust these corporations, governments and commissions on their say so and I just can't. Corruption is rife everywhere . Why are my worst losses associated with games crashing. The site worked fine every other time and even leading up to my run of wins. All of sudden I start getting issues. That seems a tad suspicious and I think you could forgive me for feeling like this. The emotional attachment is a valid point but even so we have instincts for a reason to protect us and mine are going off big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Sorry I should have also said - with regards to returning and getting the bonus straight away, you would have gotten that money had you not returned. The bonus isn't actually what pays you the money - it's all one spin, so because you had pressed spin before the game crashed, your bonus had been triggered, and you were winning that money no matter what, kind of like saving a bonus for a bonus hunt. Had you not returned, the bonus would eventually have expired and the money would have been added to your balance. Providers differ on the length of time they allow you to watch this live - some are 24 hours, some go up to 7 days, and with Yggdrasil they actually will give you the option even if you return one minute later to just skip the bonus and add the money to your balance, or rewatch the winning spin - which is the bonus. You would have gotten the money for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 People in the forum please get involved in this discussion. Some of you have must have some valuable contributions to make. Dont be frightened . Step up . You have a voice and a valid opinion and you should use it. Healthy debate is a great thing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, Raisin bollok said: We have to trust these corporations, governments and commissions on their say so and I just can't. With this said you probably shouldn't gamble because yes, you do have to take their say so. People don't realise the level of 'cahoots' that would be required when they say these things. You're talking about the United Kingdom Gambling Commission, working hand in hand with the Betting and Gaming Council and the ASA, along with every licensed casino and operator. There will be hundreds, if not thousands of people that will go through employment in these companies, and based upon the level of jobs being offered, many would have access to the information you say. It's highly unlikely no one would ever have come forward, unless everyone joining these companies is signing an NDA. Same with providers - it's fine to say the CEOs and top levels are rich, but the guys programming the maths are in salaried positions, and could get a job anywhere because they're talented. Is the implication that the young guy working for Push Gaming is programming slots to rip people off, despite not earning any extra money for it and not reaping those financial rewards? He goes to work every day and commits fraud against millions of people worldwide, and takes home a regular salary for that risk? Bottom line is, it's luck - you've said yourself you win sometimes, and that's great. You're massively up at Skol Casino especially on low stakes, and you've said they won't get it back. If you never return to that casino, you won and they lost in your personal relationship. There's never a guarantee that a player will return to play a second time, so if there truly was corruption no one would win, or else we'd end up with your Skol situation - you took £1,204.84 from them. The thing about the casino industry is that it's already in the favour of the casinos and operators - the house always has the edge. There doesn't need to be corruption - players are willing to play knowing the edge isn't in their favour, and continue to play as RTP gets lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Chloe said: Sorry I should have also said - with regards to returning and getting the bonus straight away, you would have gotten that money had you not returned. The bonus isn't actually what pays you the money - it's all one spin, so because you had pressed spin before the game crashed, your bonus had been triggered, and you were winning that money no matter what, kind of like saving a bonus for a bonus hunt. Had you not returned, the bonus would eventually have expired and the money would have been added to your balance. Providers differ on the length of time they allow you to watch this live - some are 24 hours, some go up to 7 days, and with Yggdrasil they actually will give you the option even if you return one minute later to just skip the bonus and add the money to your balance, or rewatch the winning spin - which is the bonus. You would have gotten the money for sure. Ok thats good to know. I didnt realise that. Ok then ..so say the game crashed the spin before I was going to get the bonus . If I loaded the game back up would I get the bonus next spin. I don't think I would . If the game didn't crash at all I would have got the bonus the very next spin as that was what was fated to happen. Although I get its not as simple as that then I would lose my winnings that I would have won because that was fate . Is this a valid assumption. Jesus that was hard to type 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chloe said: With this said you probably shouldn't gamble because yes, you do have to take their say so. People don't realise the level of 'cahoots' that would be required when they say these things. You're talking about the United Kingdom Gambling Commission, working hand in hand with the Betting and Gaming Council and the ASA, along with every licensed casino and operator. There will be hundreds, if not thousands of people that will go through employment in these companies, and based upon the level of jobs being offered, many would have access to the information you say. It's highly unlikely no one would ever have come forward, unless everyone joining these companies is signing an NDA. Same with providers - it's fine to say the CEOs and top levels are rich, but the guys programming the maths are in salaried positions, and could get a job anywhere because they're talented. Is the implication that the young guy working for Push Gaming is programming slots to rip people off, despite not earning any extra money for it and not reaping those financial rewards? He goes to work every day and commits fraud against millions of people worldwide, and takes home a regular salary for that risk? Bottom line is, it's luck - you've said yourself you win sometimes, and that's great. You're massively up at Skol Casino especially on low stakes, and you've said they won't get it back. If you never return to that casino, you won and they lost in your personal relationship. There's never a guarantee that a player will return to play a second time, so if there truly was corruption no one would win, or else we'd end up with your Skol situation - you took £1,204.84 from them. The thing about the casino industry is that it's already in the favour of the casinos and operators - the house always has the edge. There doesn't need to be corruption - players are willing to play knowing the edge isn't in their favour, and continue to play as RTP gets lower. I mean nothing personally to any staff and I apologise if it came across that way . I am just trying to justify in my mind what is going on. Also though Chloe there are always bad eggs in every walk of life. Here is an example. Vw made engine's that put out more pollution than was allowed . I dont have all the facts but its a basic explanation . Do you believe every member of staff was complicit in that or maybe just the higher ups. I hope I am not upsetting you I am just talking. This is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Raisin bollok said: Ok thats good to know. I didnt realise that. Ok then ..so say the game crashed the spin before I was going to get the bonus . If I loaded the game back up would I get the bonus next spin. I don't think I would . If the game didn't crash at all I would have got the bonus the very next spin as that was what was fated to happen. Although I get its not as simple as that then I would lose my winnings that I would have won because that was fate . Is this a valid assumption. Jesus that was hard to type 🤔 No, if you press spin and the game crashes when the reels are spinning, your outcome has already been determined - dead spin, bonus, max win, etc. So if you open the game back up, you'll get the win. If you don't open the game again before the round expires, the money will be added to your balance. If the game crashes on a non winning spin then there's no such thing as 'supposed to get a bonus next spin'. Your outcome wouldn't be determined until you spin, and if you aren't in the game to make that spin then no, you wouldn't get a bonus but you also wouldn't have spun so wouldn't get any outcome. There's no fate with it, and you can look at it the opposite way. If you press spin and lose two spins in a row, then you've lost 40p (for example). Now, if the game had crashed after your first spin, you would have lost 20p - half the amount. If you had then re-opened the game, whether it be 40 seconds later or 40 minutes later, you might have gotten a bonus on that second spin. Your outcome is never determined until you spin. Obviously, this can never be tested because we can never do something, then go back in time and do it a different way to check. If they ever do invent time travel, I would defo do better things with it too 😂 Whether you think there's collusion or not, it's an absolute fact of how Random Number Generators work - they're used in many other legitimate applications such as encryption, not just slots. So whether you think casinos intentionally kick you out of games or not, it remains a fact that they aren't doing it because you would have gotten a bonus - no one knows what will happen until you press spin, and by that point even if the game does crash you've earned your winnings and they can't undo that with a simple game crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Well thankyou for taking the time to engage with me. I have actually learned some things. As for I shouldn't gamble are you mad woman ?. I love slots and the maths and workings fascinate me. I will get over this and move on soon . Please don't think I am ungrateful for winning. I know its mostly luck but I really believe that you can slightly tip the odds back in your favour with a solid gameplan. My methods seem to be working for now anyway. How long it lasts is another matter . I really appreciate your response. Thank God you are here because I would still be raging. I think there is a stream tonight and I will be watching. Best of luck and look forward to some more responses on this thread . 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjcur2020 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I have exactly the same problem as this. I also find if I'm having a really hot session once I've been playing for a round 4-5 hours all games have internal server errors or token errors it's so frustrating when players you watch stream play sometimes for 10-12 hours with hardly any off these problems. Example I played at a casino and hit 2500x on a quid then lowered the stake to 60p for the rest of my session but after 3 hours off a massive bonus hunt no games would load at all and it kept logging me out the casino. It all felt dodgy and rigged. The casino is in charge at the end of the day and I do think responsible gambling comes into play and they can restrict your account for a short time without you necessarily knowing i.e internal errors etc. Will we ever know?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, jmjcur2020 said: I have exactly the same problem as this. I also find if I'm having a really hot session once I've been playing for a round 4-5 hours all games have internal server errors or token errors it's so frustrating when players you watch stream play sometimes for 10-12 hours with hardly any off these problems. Example I played at a casino and hit 2500x on a quid then lowered the stake to 60p for the rest of my session but after 3 hours off a massive bonus hunt no games would load at all and it kept logging me out the casino. It all felt dodgy and rigged. The casino is in charge at the end of the day and I do think responsible gambling comes into play and they can restrict your account for a short time without you necessarily knowing i.e internal errors etc. Will we ever know?? Thanks for replying mate. I just cant believe everything is legit all the time when you see so much deception going on in all the other big industry's. We have to just take their word for it . Maybe I am overthinking it but it warrants a discussion at the very least. The banks rip us off. The government rip us off. I could go on. But every company in the gambling industry with a license is all fine and dandy. That doesn't make sense to me . They don't force us to play though so you take your chance I guess. Even if it makes no difference when games keep crashing it is really frustrating . This must be felt by lots of other gamblers too . We are supposed to be provided with an enjoyable experience at the end of the day . Constant server errors ruin the experience whether they have any bearing or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Bloody hell i just had the worst dream. I cant remember much but I know the gambling industry were after me and I had to seek refuge in the Uruguayan embassy for 7 years If I am found dead soon it wasn't suicide. 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Right quick update. Things improved slightly for a while and the last 25% of wagering was much better for a while and I managed to hold my balance around the 120 - 130 mark up to the last 10% .Also had no crashing until the last couple of games. Temple of treasure was playing really well and then decided to boot me off. When I reloaded it was like a different game. 20 odd dead spins in a row. I then came out of the game and reloaded. Started playing better and I completed wagering with 95 balance. Still a profit of 55 pounds its money and we will take it However I lost £180 over less than £800 of wagering. This seems way higher than anything I have experienced before over an extended period. The swings in gambling can be dramatic but I would have still expected a bit of a recovery somewhere along the way but I was always on the downslide since the wagering started. Was it just a bad session ? maybe.. Was it just all a fuss over nothing. Perhaps. At the end of the day I came away with an ok profit so some might say I should be grateful and I guess they would be right. I am still not convinced all is well but I am just some bloke from Portsmouth who has no way of finding out what really happened. I have to accept that and learn from it. This was a really bad experience for me but lets be honest it could have been worse. Chloe made the most important point about all of this. The emotional relationship between us and the games. I think a combination of emotion/ bad luck is probably the best answer we will ever get to explain this situation. I will be now aware of this in the future . I definitely think a bit more patience will help me and if I get a similar situation I will leave it for a few days and then return. We all want to get that money in our accounts ASAP when we have a good win . If its playing crap just turn it off. Go and do something different would be my advice. Easier said than done . I still think there is more to add to this conversation so please keep this post alive. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 @Chloe. I was thinking about what you said yesterday about the bonus being paid out if it was triggered on a server error. How would this work with Rick and morty because you have the mystery option. Which of the 4 options would it choose for you. I guess the 3 main picks (pickle fed vind) could all be the same outcome whatever you pick but the mystery surely couldn't. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 @KawaiiEconomics I just rewatched some of the stream from last night as I missed some comments . Something that you said about structured randomness caught my attention . I got to thinking that if all of the spins in the world are just totally random that could be dangerous for the industry. Say 20000 people all had a huge win at the same time on the same game that is a lot of money to pay out in a short time. Are the spins split up into blocks of a specific amount with the game rtp covering that block of spins and then that block would cover one particular server for instance. Thats my interpretation from what you said. This is way over my head now and a bit nerdy but I find this fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Raisin bollok said: @Chloe. I was thinking about what you said yesterday about the bonus being paid out if it was triggered on a server error. How would this work with Rick and morty because you have the mystery option. Which of the 4 options would it choose for you. I guess the 3 main picks (pickle fed vind) could all be the same outcome whatever you pick but the mystery surely couldn't. ? They absolutely could all be the same outcome, and it wouldn’t surprise me. This has never been confirmed by Blueprint, because the element of choice is something players enjoy about their games, but I would say yeah - the value you will win is predetermined. There are a lot of games available that offer a ‘choice’ that has no bearing - a key in Goonies, Golden Fish Tank and Secret of the Stones, to name a few. All of these games would pay if the round expired, because the choices don’t actually matter. They just add some excitement for players. The same is probably true for the mystery on Rick and Morty Megaways or Temple of Treasure or any like that. I would particularly argue this for Rick and Morty as there is no element of ‘choice’ displayed, it’s just a wheel that spins. I know in the case of a game issue where a bonus has been lost that some providers will simulate 10 bonus rounds and award the player the average return, but I highly doubt they are doing that every time a pick bonus isn’t opened. The game will probably know what you win before you win it and the rest is just the usual bells and whistles. Not that this proves anything but since we are sharing experiences - when we had bonus buys in the UK I got 27 spins starting at a x10 multiplier on Buffalo Rising by starting with 6 Scatters and going for the mystery option. It paid less than my 100x stake back. On another occasion, I got a ‘bad’ result on the mystery choice on Temple of Treasure and got a huge win, the value of which I can’t remember. Point being that again it’s random, and I got very unlucky that night I played Buffalo. Again - this has never been proven, but I would have probably gotten the exact same result had I chosen a standard option, or revealed a worse mystery result. I recognise that I have repeatedly said ‘probably’ throughout this post - this isn’t to say I am doubting my stand point, but rather is out of respect to Blueprint who have chosen not to share this information before as far as I am aware. I do know gambling on The Goonies doesn’t matter as someone else did the work on this once, and spent hours/days looking at the code to see what was actually going on. That information is there for anyone to look at. It’s been a while since I looked at his work, but he was fairly spot on if I remember correctly. Besides, understanding these things and believing that no difference is made based upon your choice is very freeing, and actually makes the games more fun. I strongly believe allowing a choice like Temple of Treasure, whilst it is fun for some players, inevitably causes issues with others who have stronger emotional ties, probably putting them at risk for disappointment and anger for ‘choosing the wrong one’ or worse, accidentally choosing the wrong one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 I asked about R + mm because you can pick 3 different bonuses of 12 spins. The mystery gives out different amount of spins. 5 10 15 or 20 . Are saying you won't be any worse off if you always take mystery. I have never had less than 4 quid on 12 vindicators and that's hundreds of times. When I have got 5 spins on vindicators I have had lots of bonuses under 50p. Do you see what I an saying bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 I do see what you’re saying, but I’ve also told you that I have had the maximum available, not just through the standard mystery option but the maximum available in the whole game with 6 scatters, and didn’t even win the average cost of this back. Will has also bought a lot of Rick and Morty bonuses in his time and has had losing 20 spin returns and winning 10 spin returns. £4 on 10p is also 40x, so that’s not actually a good return for a bonus worth 100x bet (or worth 150x bet for the mystery), regardless of the spins you got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Ok i am with you. Thanks Chloe. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideous Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 This isn't really that complicated. With regard to an options pick at the start of a bonus round. Any legitimate and non-random choice will always be worth (on average) 100x [we know this on R&M MW, as this is the cost when you buy it] . Actually it will be worth 100x * RTP. So all of the choices are worth say 96x. You can then be offered choices, and technically they could make a difference to your result, but your overall average result would always be 96x. There are an infinite amount of ways to average out at 96x: A: You could have one bonus out of 100 that pays 9600x and every other bonus pays 0x. B: You could have every bonus just pay 96x. 😄 You could have half the bonuses pay 95x and half the bonuses pay 97x These examples are all indistinct in the chance it offers the player. However it might have a bearing on the real world result. At the very most, the interaction at the start of a bonus round offers a way to navigate the volatility, nothing more. If you miss your pick, and don't go back into the game round and pick it yourself, the pick can be chosen randomly. If this happened and it chose and incredibly volatile option (such as option A, above) most of the time you would get nothing back. However, one in a hundred people would come back to an absolutely massive balance. I think you should be very careful about having an "approach" or method to any of these games. At very best, you have a rough idea of how they play. I have an idea about how to play cards, and I know that a get dealt Hearts about one in every four cards, but I don't walk away from the table if I haven't seen a heart come out in 8 cards. It would make no sense. Especially if the cards are being shuffled in front of me. And the "cards" in an online slot game are being shuffled millions of times per second. The more you play, the more you will encounter these fringe scenarios: the ones where you get 10 bonuses within 50 spins; and the ones where you don't get any bonuses for 3 hours. There really cannot be any way to advantage your play or influence the overall result, because that would break the rules about how these games are produced. If you have any questions, I'm happy to explain to the best of my knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raisin bollok Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Cheers Will. I do understand this now. I had never thought it through that much in this context before. . It's just when you play a certain game an excessive amount you tend to stick with the choices that seem on average to pay better. On Rick and morty I have had lots of early ( under 50 spins) bonuses that pay low amounts . From my experience the 12 vindicators perform the most consistent in that scenario. The pickle and federation spins have the better potential . I would guess the vindicators is the least volatile . I used to take mystery every time and kept getting the 5 spins too often for my liking. Because I play with small deposits (30 -35 most of the time) Rick and morty often costs 10 - 15 pounds to bonus 400 to 500 spins. I don't spend more than 15 on a single game . Thats my limit . Getting 25 pence on a mystery 5 spins left me in a precarious position balance wise so many times. I take the vindicators because it mostly pays 12 to 15 pounds . This gives me another bite at the cherry and I can move on with another game . I also like a bit of playtime . I didn't have lots of money to play with before I started winning but now I can play as much as I want and its brilliant. I used to bet angry before trying to get bonuses that were never gonna land because I wanted my money that I had put into the game back. The wife would go mad when I went stupid and wasted the little money that I had spare at the time . I also have some other quirks that I do. Now I think about it.. it probably makes no sense and I sound like a madman. . Since I adopted my tactics I have done really well. You saw my skol account and I have a similar profit at sky vegas .I am banned from there now but thats another story. They are stupid because they probably would have got most of that back because I was very erratic when I played there .They did me a favour. Also I try not to be greedy now and adopt a cautious approach. It seems to be working for me so why would I change. Vindicators never goes massive. 700x is my best . It seems to suit my style. If I have a bigger balance then I will risk the mystery . If I get 5 scatters which is surprisingly often then I like the pickles had a few bonuses around 1000X My biggest win is on feds over 1000 x on 20p. Not sure what the best hit out there is. I do get it now that anything could happen at anytime and I have no control over my results. It just appeared that way. Can I just point out that I do lose sometimes like everyone else but I have learnt to minimise the damage and my gambling is stress free and I really enjoy it. It used to make me so miserable. Thankyou again to you and Chloe for spending your time discussing this with me. It means a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chloe Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 No problem! I'll also say, I think it's really good you're doing well and sticking to your usual stakes - so many players would hit lucky and up their stakes and it can so often lead to disaster. It's great you're enjoying gambling - its supposed to be fun 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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